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    Quote Originally Posted by draindit View Post
    Replaced the switch per spartan = No difference(forward runs reverse/reverse runs forward)
    Orderd brushes from spartan 3 weeks ago = frustration, no sign of em!

    wish i listened to the heds up...thanxs guys



    I would bet AJ Colman has them in stock.

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    The thing is that if you keep running this thing with the beat brushes you'll burn the commutator up.
    The brushes are designed to be a certain length with a spring that pushes the graphite brush against the commutator.
    Once they wear down past a certain length the spring no longer pushes the brush hard enough against the commutator.

    At the point where the brush isn't pushing hard enough any more it just gets worse quicker. There is a loose connection that starts arcing, sparking, and generating extra heat. The wear of the brush and commutator accelerates and the commutator which is copper strips embedded in a plastic like substance will become thin, with grooves burned in and may even come loose because of the heat generated by the loose connection. Once that occurs the motor is pretty much toast with a new armature being required which works out to be about the cost of the motor. Another thing that can happen is the brush becomes so small that the brush holder will no longer hold it and this flip into the motor having the spring and wire become the new connection. At some point sparks and flames shoot out of the motor and its done.

    You definitely don't want 100' of cable out in the line when this happens! I'd replace the brushes at the first sign of trouble to avoid big troubles. I'd find the brushes wherever you can get them and replace them. It's just a matter of finding them in stock somewhere based on the machine/motor information or, matching them up by size and shape along with the proper spring and connection tab. These parts are quite generic and it doesn't matter where you get them from, they cost $3-5 each which is cheap in comparison to a new motor.

    In addition you can be proactive buy every once in a while unscrewing the brush cap and pulling out the brushes to see how they are wearing. There is a line on the side of the brush that indicates when it should be replaced. The brushes will be worn in a curved pattern on the end where it conforms to the armature make sure that you put them back in the same way. See the picture below...




    There is also a tool that can clean and dress the commutator as long as it is in good condition. But it doesn't perform miracles.




    In the picture below you see a motor armature that is in good shape with the commutator on the right side. It may be black but it is still smooth and in good shape.




    In the picture below the commutator has been overheated and is badly burned with one of the commutator strips gone. This motor is toast!

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    Wow! Tons of info! Lucky for me all my mainline jobs have been short and sweet but I cringe everytime I step on the peddle knowing that things arent right. I appreciate the schooling and I am gonna take a closer look at the commutator and brushes now that I got a point of reference. I have been preparing myself for buying a new motor sense the beginning of this thing..i still wouldnt mind dodging that bullet though.
    Yes, I probably should have order from AJ Coleman....another hard lesson learned. Im gonna be back home in Chicago in a week so I will probably track the joint down and stop in.Mean hile i gotta find a place close by where I can pick up some brushes before my machine becomes a fancy boat anchor. Thanx again for schoolin me up!

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    Asstyme already said it call AJ Coleman. They have parts in stock for nearly every machine out there. They can also tell you exactly what is causing your issues. http://www.allanjcoleman.com/

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    So I got my brushes a week ago. They were waiting for me when I got back from the vacation ( big shout out to Jason over dere at Spartan for checkin in wit me on the status of my order). But unfortunately they have no effect on the performance of my 2001 motor. So im getting ready to order a new one but first im takin it to a place my buddy recommends for rebuilding electric motors to see what that will cost. Now.... knowing that it is practically shot, will using it(driving it into the dirt so to speak) damage any of the other electrical components? I dont plan on doing this but i am curious as to how muchmore replacement i could be in for. Thanx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draindit View Post
    Now.... knowing that it is practically shot, will using it (driving it into the dirt so to speak) damage any of the other electrical components? I don't plan on doing this but I am curious as to how much more replacement I could be in for. Thanx.
    Prolly nothing else that would be a problem...
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    Quote Originally Posted by draindit View Post
    So I got my brushes a week ago. They were waiting for me when I got back from the vacation ( big shout out to Jason over dere at Spartan for checkin in wit me on the status of my order). But unfortunately they have no effect on the performance of my 2001 motor. So im getting ready to order a new one but first im takin it to a place my buddy recommends for rebuilding electric motors to see what that will cost. Now.... knowing that it is practically shot, will using it(driving it into the dirt so to speak) damage any of the other electrical components? I dont plan on doing this but i am curious as to how muchmore replacement i could be in for. Thanx.

    Call AJ Coleman, ask for Marv, tell him your issue. He can tell you exactly what is wrong.
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    Tankless Water Heaters | Drain and Sewer Cleaning
    Sump and Ejector Pumps | Backflow RPZ Testing

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    Dispatch Points:
    • La Grange IL (708) 579-0200
    • Naperville IL (630) 416-2000
    • Lombard IL (630) 932-9800
    • Elgin IL (847) 742-2727
    • North Aurora IL (630) 897-2727
    • Schaumburg IL (847) 605-1100
    • Arlington Heights IL (847) 818-0608

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    Oh by the way the 2001 uses a DC brushed motor. There is a pair of bridge rectifiers behind the switch plate. If one of them has a bad diode in the unit it might be causing your issue. But as I said before talk to Marv at AJ Coleman, he will be able to tell you for sure.
    Ron Hasil Lic #058-160417
    A-Archer Sewer & Plumbing specializing in:
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    Dispatch Points:
    • La Grange IL (708) 579-0200
    • Naperville IL (630) 416-2000
    • Lombard IL (630) 932-9800
    • Elgin IL (847) 742-2727
    • North Aurora IL (630) 897-2727
    • Schaumburg IL (847) 605-1100
    • Arlington Heights IL (847) 818-0608

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